Schwab Market Perspective: Upside-Down

Lately bad news has been good news for the stock market, as investors look to the Federal Reserve to begin cutting rates earlier than previously expected.

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As the economy has shown continued signs of slowing, investors have begun to think the Federal Reserve might cut short-term interest rates as early as June 2024. It appears that tight Fed policy has had the desired effect on the economy, potentially cooling it enough to bring inflation down to the Fed's target level. That would allow the Fed to take its foot off the brake and begin to loosen monetary policy.

That's why bad news has been welcomed by many stock market investors, and why 10-year Treasury bond yields have dropped sharply in recent weeks. We believe if bond market volatility and yields continue to decline, it would be supportive for the stock market.

Meanwhile, the global economy got two potential shocks in October—the Israel-Hamas war and the Bank of Japan's change to its yield-curve-control policy—but we believe neither will suddenly or materially worsen the currently sluggish global economic and market environment.

U.S. stocks and economy: Good or bad news?

Within the United States, a dominant theme since the Federal Reserve started hiking interest rates last year has been whether good economic news translates to bad stock market news—meaning, whether too-strong data would force the central bank to tighten policy even further, putting downward pressure on stocks. While no relationship is perfect, it's plausible that a tight labor market and stronger-than-expected consumer spending (particularly on services) have helped keep upward pressure on interest rates—so much so that their spike from late summer throughout the fall led to the S&P 500® index's largest correction this year.

Yet, as we've pointed out many times, bad news when it comes to economic data is mostly in the eye of the beholder these days. Even within the October jobs report, there were plenty of details to be both optimistic and pessimistic about. For those in the latter camp, one could point to the unemployment rate's 0.5-percentage-point increase over the past six months. Other than in the early 1950s, we've never seen that large an increase without the economy already being in a recession.

Unemployment rate flashes recession signal

Chart shows the six-month change in the U.S. unemployment rate dating back to 1948, with gray shaded bars representing recessions. The unemployment rate has increased by 0.5 percentage points over the past six months. Other than in the early 1950s, unemployment has not increased that quickly unless the economy was in a recession.

Source: Charles Schwab, Bloomberg, Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of 10/31/2023.

Y-axis is truncated for visual purposes.

The indications of a softening labor market have been viewed favorably by stock market bulls, not least because—in recent months—tighter (and stronger) labor data likely have been a factor in pushing Treasury yields higher, which has coincided with weakness in the stock market. As shown in the chart below, the rolling 30-day correlation between changes in the S&P 500 index and the 10-year U.S. Treasury yield is still in negative territory. That likely means (all else being equal) that a reduction in bond market volatility and continued move lower in Treasury yields would be supportive for stocks in the near term.

Bond yields fighting with stocks

Chart shows the rolling 30-day correlation between changes in the S&P 500 and the 10-year U.S. Treasury yield. The correlation was in negative territory as of November 3, 2023.

Source: Charles Schwab, Bloomberg, as of 11/3/2023.

Correlation shows the strength of a relationship between two variables and is expressed numerically by the correlation coefficient. The correlation coefficient's values range between 1.0 (perfect positive correlation) and -1.0 (perfect negative correlation). Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

Also supportive is the investor sentiment backdrop, which has turned decisively pessimistic since the summer. As you can see in the chart below, the Crowd Sentiment Poll (CSP) from Ned Davis Research has fallen into "extreme pessimism" territory. At extremes, pessimistic investor sentiment can be a bullish indicator.

Investors not feeling well

Chart shows the Crowd Sentiment Poll from Ned Davis Research dating back to 2017. The poll index has fallen below 57, which marks its entry into "extreme pessimism" territory.

Source: Charles Schwab, ©Copyright 2023 Ned Davis Research, Inc.

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When analyzing sentiment and market performance, however, there are two important caveats worth noting. First, history shows that the best zone for stock market gains is when the CSP is reversing from its current level back above a value of 57 (the bottom yellow dotted line in the chart). Second, pessimistic sentiment in and of itself is not a catalyst for the market to move higher. As mentioned, we think a turn lower in Treasury yields likely would help propel stocks higher, but there needs to be eventual support from an improvement in stock market breadth. Through the end of October, that wasn't yet the case, but investors should keep an eye out for potential outperformance from the "average stock," small caps, and cyclically oriented sectors like banks.

Fixed income: What happened to "higher for longer"?

After climbing by more than 100 basis points (or one percentage point) since late summer, Treasury yields plummeted in early November. Ten-year Treasury yields dropped from a high of 5.02% to less than 4.50% in less than two weeks (before rebounding to the 4.65% area) as investors reacted to signs of slowing economic growth and easing inflation pressures. The market is now pricing in the potential for the Federal Reserve to start cutting interest rates as early as June 2024, with a total of 100 basis points of cuts now expected by the end of next year—double what was expected only a few weeks ago.

Expectations for rate cuts accelerated after the October unemployment report

Chart shows market expectations for Federal Reserve rate cuts on October 18th and on November 3rd, 2023, based on the federal funds futures implied rate. On October 18th, investors expected about 50 basis points in cuts by the end of 2024, but on November 3rd they expected about 100 basis points of cuts by the end of 2024.

Source: Bloomberg.

Market estimate of the federal funds rate using the Fed Funds Futures Implied Rate (FFX3 COMB Comdty). As of 10/18/2023 and 11/3/2023, respectively.

There were several catalysts for the bond market rally. Since the summer, a constellation of factors had combined to send yields to cyclical highs. Strong third-quarter gross domestic product (GDP) growth on the back of resilient consumer spending and employment, rising uncertainty about the potential for an end to the Fed's rate-hiking cycle, and worries about increasing issuance of Treasury bonds combined to create a summer surge in yields. Bond market sentiment was heavily bearish.

However, since late October the economic data have shown that the preconditions for the Fed to stop hiking interest rates were emerging. The economy is slowing in response to tightening financial conditions, the labor market is loosening, and inflation is heading lower.

For the Federal Reserve, the most important indicator is inflation. The news there has been encouraging as well. The metric that the Fed uses as its benchmark—the deflator for personal consumption expenditures less food and energy (core PCE) has slowed to a 3.7% year/year pace. That is still far from the Fed's 2% target, but it is consistent with its forecast for year-end inflation in 2023. Moreover, it has been decelerating with month-to-month readings declining most of this year. On an annualized, three-month change basis, core PCE rose by just 2.5% in September.

Inflation is nearing the Fed's 2% target

Chart shows the annualized 3-month change in the personal consumption expenditures index and the core personal consumption expenditures index dating back to June 2021. As of September 2023, the PCE 3 month change was 3.8% and the core PCE change was 2.5%.

Source: Bloomberg, using monthly data as of 9/30/2023.

US Personal Consumption Expenditures Chain Type Price Index SA (PCE DEF Index) and US Personal Consumption Expenditure Core Price Index MoM SA (PCE CORE Index). Personal Consumption Expenditures (PCE) includes a measure of consumer spending on goods and services among households in the U.S. The PCE is used as a mechanism to gauge how much earned income of households is being spent on current consumption for various goods and services. Core PCE excludes food and energy prices, which tend to be volatile.

Given the progress made toward its goals, we agree with the market view that the Fed is unlikely to hike the federal funds rate again in this cycle. The market may be a bit too optimistic about the timing and pace of rate cuts in 2024, but we would not rule out some easing by mid-year if current trends continue. It's worth noting that the Fed still plans to reduce its balance sheet by allowing the bonds it holds to mature—a form of tightening. Consequently, monetary policy will still be exerting a negative influence on the economy into the future, likely keeping inflation in check.

Global stocks and economy: Two shocks

Economic and market cycles tend to progress gradually until hit by a shock, catalyzing rapid change. October saw two such potential shocks, but we believe neither will suddenly or materially worsen the currently sluggish global economic and market environment.

The first was a potential oil shock from the Israel-Hamas war that began on October 7th. As we've seen in other drawn-out conflicts such as those in Ukraine and Syria, the reactions in global stocks, bonds and oil prices have tended to be mild. Primarily, conflicts in the Middle East affect the global economy through oil prices. At this time, oil prices are little changed, closely tracking the average of prior conflicts. We believe a 1% rise is unlikely to prompt any kind of shock to the global economy.

Short-term impact of various geopolitical events on Brent crude oil prices

Chart shows the change in Brent crude oil prices after the start of the Gulf War in August 1990, the 9/11 attack in September 2001, the U.S. invasion of Iraq in March 2003, the Lebanon war in July 2006, Arab Spring in December 2010, the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, and the Hamas attack in Israel in October 2023.

Source: Charles Schwab, Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) data, Macrobond as of 11/1/2023.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

The second potential shock is tied to last week's announcement by the Bank of Japan (BOJ), which we had previewed in our February commentary, Are You Focusing on the Wrong Central Bank? The BOJ has officially ended its commitment to buy an unlimited amount of Japanese government bonds in an effort to cap the 10-year yield at 1%, a policy referred to as yield curve control (YCC). In response, the 10-year Japanese government bond yield rose. But, in a seemingly contrary move, the yen weakened against the U.S. dollar, because currencies tend to move on differences in inflation-adjusted—or "real"—yields, not nominal yields. Because the BOJ raised its inflation outlook at the same time it cancelled its unlimited purchasing, inflation pressures weighed on both the real yield and the yen. Should U.S. real yields rise at a faster pace than Japanese yields in the near term, as they have been doing lately, we might expect continued pressure on the yen. In the longer term, the potential for higher real Japanese yields and lower U.S. real yields are potential positives for the Japanese currency.

Japan: Range for yield curve control of 10-year yield and the yen

Chart shows the range in the 10-year yield both before and after the Bank of Japan began its yield curve control policy in September 2016.

Source: Charles Schwab, Macrobond data as of 11/1/2023.

Gray vertical line represents the date that the BOJ implemented yield curve control in September 2016. Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

Why might this change in BOJ policy matter to investors? If the change at the BOJ leads to higher real yields and yen appreciation, Japan's net capital outflows could turn into sizeable inflows. This potentially could lead to a liquidity shock if capital is rapidly repatriated to Japan. However, we see BOJ policy unfolding as a gradual and managed rise in interest rates in Japan, unlikely to prompt destabilizing capital flows or a surge in the yen, as evidenced by the initial reaction to last week's announcement.

Although these two potential shocks are unlikely to change the pace of the global economy, overall the pace of global growth isn't good, as last week's third-quarter GDP data made clear. Economies more exposed to manufacturing and trade have been among the weakest, like Germany, which has had negative GDP growth in four of the past five quarters. Economies that are more services-focused, like France, have fared better. France has not seen a negative quarter of GDP during the past six quarters. Overall, the global picture is one of stagnant growth, but not stagflation—the term for stagnant growth coupled with high inflation. Notably, sluggish growth has actually helped inflation recede to 2.9% in Europe, close to the European Central Bank's target of 2%. The global economic backdrop is more of a "recession" in terms of the duration of economic weakness rather than in its depth—resulting in the many quarters of weakness among most of the Group of Seven countries that may extend into 2024.

Real GDP for Group of Seven countries (not annualized)

Chart shows real GDP for the Group of Seven countries, which are Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

Source: Charles Schwab, Macrobond data as of 11/1/2023.

*Bloomberg-tracked economists' consensus forecasts for Q3 and Q4 (Q3 actuals for U.S., Germany, Italy and France).

Kevin Gordon, Senior Investment Strategist, contributed to this report.

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