A Hero's Journey: With Guests Ethan Gilsdorf, David Fajgenbaum & Kurt Gray

October 21, 2024
Framing the narrative of your life as an epic journey can give you control and meaning.

After you listen

  • There was no shortage of heroic storylines at the Summer Olympics this year. But if you're wondering how cognitive and emotional biases can impact Olympic athletes, judges, fans, and even the cities that bid on hosting the games, check out the recent Financial Decoder episode titled "Can The Olympics Teach Us About Our Own Behavior?" In it, Mark Riepe explores how the same biases that affect various aspects of the Olympics also apply to the financial decisions we make every day.

Luke Skywalker, Frodo Baggins, Katniss Everdeen, the main characters of many great stories, they all have one thing in common: the shape of their journey. From answering the call to adventure, to undergoing tests of character and strengths, to triumphantly returning home forever changed. It's a classic narrative structure that's inspired countless tales from ancient myths to modern media. But it's not just great for entertainment. 

In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman, we look at how this specific type of storytelling can be leveraged to make your life more manageable, exciting, and meaningful. 

Writer and performer Ethan Gilsdorf has written and spoken about how his childhood obsession with the fantasy role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons saved his life. 

For David Fajgenbaum, a physician and associate professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, what saved his life was sheer determination and faith, but sharing his story has given new meaning to the incredible feats he's overcome. David is also the co-founder and president of the Castleman Disease Collaborative Network and co-founder and president of Every Cure, a non-profit that helps repurpose drugs for multiple diseases. He's the author of Chasing My Cure: A Doctor's Race to Turn Hope Into Action.

Katy speaks with Kurt Gray, a professor of psychology and neuroscience at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, about what happens when you tell the story of your life in the style of a "hero's journey." Kurt directs the Deepest Beliefs Lab and the Center for the Science of Moral Understanding. He's also the author of a new book out in January 2025 called Outraged: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics, which you can pre-order now.

Choiceology is an original podcast from Charles Schwab.

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